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HAL 9000
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They don't make many of these anymore, well, except for the upcoming Gladiator, but who would be your first choice to score a huge Roman epic?I would go for Jerry Goldsmith in a New York minute. He has the ability to get right into a large film's context and create magnificent scores that are grand, yet maintain a distinctly human level of interest. Besides, when it comes to the mammoth battles that such a film would have noone I know would match Goldsmith's sheer muscularity and brutal drive. See RIO CONCHOS, MASADA, MULAN, 13th WARRIOR.
Second choice John Williams. Third, Basil Poledouris.
posted 08-19-1999 08:48 AM PT (US) 
Widescreen
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Goldsmith is an excellent choice, but I'll be interested to hear what Hans Zimmer will do with Gladiator. Which I think they should re-name so as not to confuse with that really bad Boxing movie.Personally, if I couldn't get Goldsmith, I might choose Alan Silvestri- after hearing Judge Dredd and it's "muscle", I think he might do nicely.
posted 08-19-1999 10:46 AM PT (US) 
Norman McCay

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I think Hal mentioned ALL of my top picks, but I would go with Basil FIRST, Goldsmith second, Williams third.Hal's also right, we just don't see many "Jason & The Argonauts" or "Sinbad" movies these days. To me, those old Ray Harryhausen films are the ONLY classics that I watch, yes, beating out other "classics" like Citizen Kane or Gone With The Wind or even Ben-Hur and Spartacus.
There's just something about Harryhausen's special effects and the 50s/60s take on Greek Mythology adventures that intrigues me greatly....
By the way, what's Gladiator about?
posted 08-19-1999 11:07 AM PT (US) 
TimT

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I'd choose either Trevor Jones or Basil Poledouris
posted 08-19-1999 11:44 AM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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I think I would have to go with James Horner as my first choice, my second John Williams, my thrid Hans Zimmer.Norman, I went digging and found the plot summary for Gladiator:
<<Upon the sudden death of Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius, his trusted and successful general Narcissus Meridas is unlawfully imprisoned and condemned to the gladiator games by Marcus's twisted son Commodus. As the new emperor, Commodus fears Narcissus could use his heroic stature to depose him and become leader himself. But Narcissus gains fame as a gladiator and uses his celebrity to cause further damage to Commodus' tenuous hold on the susceptible Roman people, hoping to inspire them to rediscover their lost values and overcome the corruption that is eating away at them. These actions prompt Commodus to square off mano a mano with Narcissus in the Colisseum with the fate of Rome at stake. The characters of Marcus Aurelius and Commodus appeared in Anthony Mann's epic "Fall of the Roman Empire:, played by Alec Guinness and Christopher Plummer, respectively. >> (From Internet Movie Database)
The film is directed by Ridley Scott (Alien, G.I. Jane) and written by David H. Franzoni (Amistad) he also serves as one of the films producers. The other writer is John Logan (Tornado!--TV). I also found this as a surprise, the other producers are Steven Spielberg (Saving Private Ryan) and Douglas Wick (The Craft) and Hans Zimmer was doing the music.
As of now, I could not find the offical site, but I will keep looking, this movie looks interesting

By the way, HAL 9000, welcome to MovieMusic. Hope you like it here. If you have any questions, just post a message and I am sure it will be answered in no time.I feel like the welcome wagon
LOL It's all in good fun.--Crono/Kyp
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posted 08-19-1999 11:54 AM PT (US) 
Gae

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Well if he was still alive it would have to be Miklos Rozsa "The Master of sword and sandal epics"...but as my second choice I'm going to be boringly predictable and say Williams. After all there were moments of the "Pod Race" fanfare music that sounded uncannily like the Chariot fanfare from Ben Hur. Gae NP Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (yes I did buy it in the end and The Last Starfighter)
posted 08-19-1999 01:32 PM PT (US) 
HAL 9000
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Gae,That's a nice tribute to one of the founding fathers of film music. Since you brought up the idea of resurrecting the classic composers I'll cast a vote for Alex North. Spartacus and Cleopatra are unbeatable scores in this genre. I like Rosza too but I would want my epic to have a score with a lot more egde to it which is what North provided for his Roman scores and which I feel Goldsmith would also accomplish. Williams would write a slicker, more pristine score that would no doubt be magnificent but I would prefer a more caustic, brutal work. Goldsmith again.
posted 08-19-1999 01:45 PM PT (US) 
S Smith
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It's already been said, but I'm casting my vote for Goldsmith.
posted 08-19-1999 05:39 PM PT (US) 
James

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John Debney. I don't believe there is any film he couldn't handle, and handle incredibly well. If he was only given the chance...Due to a certain recent sci-fi score, I also think Don Davis would be a fabulous choice. Just imagine what he could do with something more thematic! Although I think he'll have plenty of opportunities soon.
I'm sorry to say that Goldsmith would not be one of my first choices, not because I think he'd do a bad job, but because that would be yet another incredibly grand Goldsmith score for me to get to, and frankly I can't keep up with Goldsmith's rate of scoring.
My next choices would include Trevor Jones, Basil Poledouris, and Richard Band (yes, that Richard Band).
posted 08-19-1999 09:17 PM PT (US) 
Norman McCay

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Crono/Kyp:Thanks for the info! But is it just me but does it seem like you are ALWAYS listening to Mancina's Tarzan when you are on the messageboard? Heh heh heh....
Anyway, so it is confirmed that Zimmer's scoring this flick? Who stars in it? When does it come out?
Gae:
About the "Pod Race" part....Lucas wanted the Pod Racers to look like chariots....that's why there are two pod engines (horses) and out in front with the rider in the back. So it makes sense that the music would somewhat resemble Ben-Hur....
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posted 08-20-1999 10:03 AM PT (US) 
mrkoob
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I would pick Basil Poledouris. I believe he would be an excellent choice. It would give him the chance to prove he can do another score as grand as Conan the Barbarian.
My second choice would be Jerry Goldsmith, of course.
He can do anything. Especially EPIC scores.
Koob out.
posted 08-26-1999 04:01 PM PT (US) 
AaronR1074

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It would seem that everybody here favors Goldsmith. He would be a good choice, but I was thinking more along the lines of a "classical" type composer. How about bringing on Elmer Bernstein? Or we can move away from that style and have Randy Edleman take it on. Oh well what the hell, I might as well throw in James Horner too. Because when it comes down to it...a "Big Epic" of any kind would either go to Goldsmith or Horner. I'm sick of Horner, but this might just be a giant leap into a new style for him. But wishes are for wussies huh?
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posted 08-29-1999 07:43 PM PT (US) 
Pliskinn
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I know this is a bit late, but worth a mention.I am very lucky to have heard Zimmers score for Gladiator, it is very very good, and will suprise a lot of people. Lots of amazing brass writing, and great themes.
I would certainly get him to score a Roman Epic!
You will love it!
Pliskinn
[This message has been edited by Pliskinn (edited 25 January 2000).]
posted 01-25-2000 09:21 AM PT (US) 
Greg Bryant

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Well, that's the question facing Ridley Scott. Probably Basil Poledouris, based mostly on Conan. Maybe Davis Arnold, based on Stargate.Beyond that, there's no one doing Alex North/Spartacus, Rosza/Ben-Hur, Newman-Herrmann/Egyptian style of music.
posted 01-25-2000 09:36 AM PT (US) 
Scott

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Williams, Goldsmith, McNeely or Giachiano in that order.Scott
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eep Rising (*****/*****)posted 01-25-2000 09:57 AM PT (US) 
Dr.Evil

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Dear Computer,
Ridley Scott is a nightmare for any composer.I loved to hear Goldsmith on this one, obvious!

posted 01-25-2000 10:34 AM PT (US) 
Scott

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Good point Dr. Evil.Scott
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posted 01-25-2000 11:54 AM PT (US) 
Ron Pulliam

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My vote is for CHRISTOPHER L. STONE!Why? Who? What?
Stone is one of most dazzlingly gifted of the newer composers. I'm basing my beliefs of his suitability for a Roman (or other historical) epic based on some stunning scores he wrote for A&E, specifically a series on the Pharaohs of Egypt. This music was thrilling and evidence of his connection/familiarity/resonance with the music for similar themes such as was written by Newman/Herrmann, Tiomkin, Rozsa and North.
While he regularly scores "Walker: Texas Ranger" (giving it far more class than it merits, by the way), he had done some wonderful, unheralded work that should one day result in his being picked for a major film.
Ron
posted 01-25-2000 12:13 PM PT (US) 
James

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Ron,Chris Stone would be great! Another composer like Richard Band who gets none of the work they deserve... in fact, Band and Stone are friends and frequent collaborators.
James
NP - Danse Macabreposted 01-25-2000 01:06 PM PT (US) 
JoeInSanDiego

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I'd get Ennio Morricone myself...
posted 01-25-2000 01:11 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I'm dying to hear Christopher Young get to cut loose on a movie like GLADIATOR. I'm sure there's nothing that fellow can't do, and as the years roll on, he's going to be one of the MAIN names guys like us are drooling over waiting to see what they might possibly do next.
posted 01-25-2000 01:15 PM PT (US) 
SPOR

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I'd have to agree with Joe on this one; Morricone is apt to go for the less obvious choices Goldsmith might make on a tight schedule. Think: Red Sonja.[This message has been edited by SPOR (edited 25 January 2000).]
posted 01-25-2000 04:31 PM PT (US) 
Scott

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After long deliberations I would choose John Williams. He's never done this type of movie, would be interesting.Goldsmith would do a great job, just listen to Masada.
Another composer who would be great and has experience in the field is Elmer Bernstein. His "Ten Commandment" score is a classic.
Scott
NP:The 13th Warrior (*****/*****)posted 01-26-2000 09:03 AM PT (US) 
Pete M

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I'd really like to see Marco Beltrami work on it. That'd be great, I'm sure he'd do excellent work.
np Stargate.or maybe David Arnold might be quite good too, thinking about it - if he's off The Patriot...
Still, I'm intrigued to see what Zimmer will come up with. He'd be one of the last people I'd think of for it.
posted 01-26-2000 09:10 AM PT (US) 
Thor

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Definitely JOEL MCNEELY. Based solely on his epic choral writing in SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE, which is some of the most stunning pieces of music written in the 1990's.
posted 01-26-2000 09:16 AM PT (US) 
Pliskinn
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I think a lot of people will be suprised by Zimmers score, it is really really good, I expect a lot of positive responces.It is quite dark in places, which suits the movie, a lot of low strings.
Be prepared to be auraly pleasured!
Pliskinn
posted 01-26-2000 09:44 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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I would go for Chris Young,Basil Poledouris,or david Newman.....Hell, even maybe John Barry if it took him back to his Lion in Winter style?!unfortunatly it is not mine to command

I am sure Zimmer will produce something good?!
posted 01-26-2000 11:33 AM PT (US) 
Rang
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I'd also go with Miklos Rozsa; an easy choice.Of those still with us, I'd go with Patrick Doyle.
posted 01-26-2000 11:59 AM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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Has anyone heard Goldenthal's score for Titus? I haven't but I was curious.[This message has been edited by HAL 2000 (edited 26 January 2000).]
posted 01-26-2000 12:05 PM PT (US) 
Ted

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Two words:Basil Poledouris

--Ted
posted 01-26-2000 04:04 PM PT (US) 
Pete M

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I'd like to see what Marco Beltrami would do with it.
re. Titus: http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/001128.html
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