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Topic: 13th Warrior; Goldsmith's grandest this decade?

skiletic

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...[Message edited by skiletic on 06-27-2002]
posted 08-16-1999 07:05 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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All I can say is that I definitely agree with you. On all points made. But... it's time to go sleepy-pie, so... I might edit and rewrite this tomorrow.
Sweet Dreams!
Jeronposted 08-16-1999 11:08 PM PT (US) 
Norman McCay

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I am going to sort of turn this in Williams/Goldsmith topic....sorry.....Regarding the Williams bit....I would have to agree with you that the stuff that Williams did in the 70s and 80s (except Superman), his scores ARE rather dry and boring after those melodic themes. Take Indiana Jones for example...Raiders of the Lost Ark had two worthy themes, Marion's theme and the Raiders March. The rest weren't really all that interesting.
BUT, now that we are in the 90s, I have come to realize that Williams has finally concentrated more on the overall score as opposed to a theme. Saving Private Ryan and Amistad come to mind. I was thoroughly impressed by both the movies and the music. SPR has a sweeping and very smooth transition between tracks, and each track is memorable is in its own right. Maybe it's just me, but I think Williams outdid himself on The Phantom Menace, incorporating his 70ish style with a modern approach.
Truthly, the only other composer that I believe that has achieved just as much, if not more, success as Williams has to be Jerry Goldsmith. History speaks for itself. But Williams has the edge in terms of scoring GREAT movies. I am not saying that Goldsmith hasn't scored any good movies (especially one of my all-time favorites is LA Confidential!), but he hasn't scored any movies that has achieved a mainstream audience like Star Wars or Indiana Jones has. But NO, I am not saying that Williams is a "sell-out," but his style simply fits that genre of movies. But I do appreciate the fact that Goldsmith has not "sold-out."
posted 08-17-1999 09:49 AM PT (US) 
Widescreen
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As a die-hard Goldsmith fan (excepting certain scores that I don't listen to for personal reasons that don't exclude some of the best, hopefully), I look forward to hearing the 13th Warrior (as it has been nicely hyped up here), and I'll reserve my opinions until then. I've alreayd bought it, but I want to wait to see the movie. I'm reading the book now, and I hope the movie at least comes a third close to how good the book is. It's Crichton, though, (except for the movie of Sphere), it's always at least fair.As to Goldsmith's grandest this decade- it depends on your definition of grand and what criterion that runs by. Personally, I think the best he's done this decade has included Total Recall, Basic Instinct, Star Trek: First Contact, The Mummy.
But to decide the grandest, for me, would be to compare any score this decade to the grandeur of Star Trek: The Motion Picture. From my perspective, it is the quintessential Goldsmith experience. I'd have to judge it against that- sort of unfair, but that's how I see it.
posted 08-17-1999 10:38 AM PT (US) 
James

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I've often wondered about Goldsmith doing Star Wars. One time, I went to my dad's workplace for this editing program he has, and I actually temped the Star Trek TMP main titles into the Star Wars opening, and I thought it worked just as well. And what if Williams had done Star Trek?As to what you said about Williams scores being dry apart from their themes, my response would be "Ehhh... sometimes... maybe..." For instance, I don't think this applies to any of the Star Wars scores, or to Jurassic Park, or The Lost World, or Jaws, or E.T., or Superman, or The Last Crusade, but perhaps it does apply to Raiders. Actually, the more I think about, the more I have to disagree. Usually, if I enjoy the themes to one of William's scores, I enjoy the rest. I find his action cues stirring and exciting, and his moments of drama inspiring. And Norman, I agree with you on The Phantom Menace. Definitely not the CD release, but the actually full score, in the movie's sequencing, I think is really great.
I've wandered miles off-topic, haven't I? What is Goldsmith's grandest this decade? The Edge, First Knight, and The Mummy would be my picks, but I haven't heard The 13th Warrior yet.
James
NP - Lake Placid (****)posted 08-17-1999 11:11 AM PT (US) 
Aaron Collins

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First off, I really do enjoy The 13th Warrior. It is a great rush! It rates high amongst others this decade. Now, onto the subject presented about Goldsmith scoring Star Wars. I don't think anyone could ever fill the steps Williams has left. He has created awesome themes and a great all around score. Now onto Skeletic's comment about how Williams scores offer only a fantastic theme and a hoarse score. I find all of Williams cues to be amazing! Let me use a few examples.Here are a few in Raiders: Desert Chase, The Basket Game, Airplane Fight...
In Last Crusade: Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra, Belly of the Steel Beast.All his Star Wars scores have awesome cues full of complexity. Now don't get me wrong, Goldsmith is great also. I think Goldsmith uses a more thematic approach. In almost every cue you have the same melody. I like how Williams strays away from the theme and uses tid bits here and there.
Besides all this, I really enjoy listening to The 13th Warrior.
Aaron
NP: The Thirteenth Warrior
posted 08-17-1999 12:59 PM PT (US) 
Al

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Of course I'd LOVE to see Goldsmith score a Star Wars film, but I believe that it's only fair to let Williams handle the scoring duties. Star Wars belongs to Williams. Star Trek belongs to Jerry. Though It would be interesting to see them trade franchises for one film.I don't really like to bother with figuring out a best of the decade or anything like that for Goldsmith. Like many of you, I love all of his music! Perhaps we could pick something easier that would be more easily agreed on? How about this?
Best Jerry Goldsmith Score Written For A Viking Film...
hmm... wonder what that one could possibly be...
posted 08-17-1999 08:06 PM PT (US) 
skiletic

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posted 08-17-1999 08:40 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
