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    Topic:   Sports scores

     Ben Penserga
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    I've been watching ESPN's Fifty Greatest Athletes of the Century and I noticed how much they used popular music scores. For instance, they used tracks from Braveheart w/ Bobby Orr's profile and Hoosiers with Larry Bird's. I wondered, "why don't they use scores from sports movies?". Then I realized there weren't many good ones. The only three that come to my mind were Jerry Goldsmith's Hoosiers and Rudy, and Randy Newman's The Natural. I think this is because that a majority of sports movies are bad and instead of getting a credible composer, they just cop out and use rock music and such. What do you guys think? Also, are there any scores that I missed?

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    posted 07-10-1999 04:40 PM PT (US)     

     cbailly
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    How about J.A.C. Redford's D2 and D3:The Mighty Ducks scores, those are pretty good. The Big Green had a little bit by Randy Edelman, but it wasn't very good, although his Angels in the Outfield makes up for it. I guess there aren't that many movies that are really about certain sports That may be kind of why there aren't many scores. Plus, rock music is kind of what are good for sports, although score content helps the victorious and emotional moments of the game.

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    posted 07-10-1999 07:27 PM PT (US)     

     Norman McCay
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    How right you are!!

    One movie in recent memory was Jerry Macguire. Now, the movie itself ranks in my top favorites of all time. But the soundtrack that accompanied it was pathetic. Sure, the music on the soundtrack fit the movie well, but I HAD TO hear the music WHILE watching the movie! If I heard the song on the radio, it was just another song to me!! There were no score tracks, and that's just plain pathetic! There were key moments in the movie that had some instrumental, such as the piano piece when Jerry runs back to find Dorothy after Rod's winning game touchdown, that should have been on the soundtrack.

    That brings me to my final point, sports movies don't have scores, but songs. Except for some older sports movies, new sports-related films all use popular rap or rock/alternative songs to boost their sales (Above The Rim, Varsity Blues, Waterboy, and a huge portion of basketball movies). This is just plain pathetic. Film music has simply failed in the genre of sports movies. Someone better make a GOOD sports movie with an actually GOOD score to go with it, or else....

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    posted 07-10-1999 07:38 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    I agree with cbailly about Redford's Mighty Ducks scores. I just wish there was a separate score album which featured them. I think David Newman wrote some of D2 because he also did the score to the first movie.

    We musn't forget Chariots Of Fire. That's a classic. There are some other Olympic scores, too, but the only two which come to mind are 16 Days Of Glory and Cool Runnings.

    I don't think that sports movies need to have songs. It all depends on what type of sports movie it is. If it's meant to have emotion and get more than your adrenaline in gear, then they usually require good scores. Something like Waterboy or lots of basketball movies don't really require any emotional help. That's my opinion, anyway.

    James
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    posted 07-10-1999 09:52 PM PT (US)     

     Mary
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    What about Rocky? And Field of Dreams? Oh, and I also liked a League of Their Own. They all count, right?

    By the way, James is right on track about the quality of sports movies equating with the decency of the score. After all, at the heart of any movie is a great story. So, for instance, I'm sure that the great ones weren't lining up to compose "Weekend at Bernies" or "Maid To order" or the like. Why should they score "The Waterboy"? They're all the same type of movie, albeit about different subjects.

    Kudos to cbailly for mentioning The Mighty Ducks as one of the great sports scores. I really like that score--and I was sure no one else would mention it when I read the first post.

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    posted 07-10-1999 11:34 PM PT (US)     

     Widescreen
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    I think the last good sports score was Goldsmith's Hoosiers. An adrenalizing score that does everything you guys are discussing here widely. The high points of emotion and amazement that come with athleticism are represented well here, I agree that Hoosiers and Rudy are some excellent examples of good scores. Rocky's okay, but I got so tired of Bill Conti's score for it.

    I think it's when a sports movie is embedded in another genre that most gets itself presented as musically unchallenging to score (or too challenging as a score would unnecessarily fall by the wayside in some cases), that the movies listed here are filled with song album presentations. It would be great if those uninspiring inspired by albums would only occur in the instances of these films as opposed to those films with the idea that they "think we can sequence better" as far as music goes.

    [This message has been edited by Widescreen (edited 07-12-99).]

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    posted 07-12-1999 07:10 AM PT (US)     

     BMUSTANG
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    Heloooooo!!!!????? Yes, Field of Dreams is tops on my list, they used some stuff from it after the All-Star game. And I still wish "The Scout" by Bill Conti had been released.........

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    posted 07-15-1999 05:06 PM PT (US)     

     Ben Penserga
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    Ok, I knew I had missed some great scores. I'm not sure how I forgot ROCKY and CHARIOTS OF FIRE, two of the most recognizable themes in movie history. As for FIELD OF DREAMS, I remembered it after I had made my orginal post.

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    posted 07-15-1999 07:45 PM PT (US)     

     Scorro
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    I'm very eager to hear Poledouris's score in For Love Of The Game. The question is, will there be a release or will this be yet another Poledouris score only available as a bootleg?

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    posted 07-15-1999 09:26 PM PT (US)     

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    Scorro, I am so happy someone else is as interested in this score as I am. I cannot wait for the movie. But, of course, inf you know me, you would know that already. I am a huge baseball fan. But let's hope there is a score made available to the public, and not a stupid "song" soundtrack. What would they need that for anyway, for a movie like this?

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    posted 08-02-1999 05:41 PM PT (US)     

     Widescreen
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    I'm equally interested in the movie and the score. The last score by Basil Poledouris I bought was the Hunt for Red October, years ago. He's done some amazing work since then for others, but it hasn't captured my interest. I think he may be able to do well with a subject steeped in Americana. Did anyone catch that Sam Raimi (Darkman, The Evil Dead Trilogy) is directing this?

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    posted 08-03-1999 06:22 AM PT (US)     

     Scorro
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    For Love Of The Game is will start showing...
    September 17, 1999

    I tend to like Kevin Costner's older movies, like back in the days he starred in Bull Duhram and Field Of Dreams. It will be interesting to see how his 3rd baseball movie is. I have a feeling it will be good.

    As for Mr. Poledouris, I would expect a beautiful, thematically rich score. He's on new ground with a sports movie, but Basil has a lot of range and inventiveness.

    Stay tuned!

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