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Ethan
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I've seen this CD in the soundtrack section. I don't think this is a compilation from any specific films so is it just themes that he wanted to record? And is it any good? Wondering...thanks!
posted 06-29-1999 08:22 PM PT (US) 
Scorro
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These are themes Barry recorded for this specific title. Rumor has it that several of the tracks were originally written for The Horse Whisperer, and subsequently rejected by Robert Redford in favor of Thomas Newmon's music.
Regarding the quality of the CD; this is a release which people either seem to love or not. Some reviews give it 5 stars and cannot applaud it enough, while others have been lukewarm and say it is territory already very well covered by Barry in other better works such as The Scarlet Letter, Cry The Beloved Country, Swept From The Sea, etc.
I have recently listened to this CD very closely on 2 occasions at a used CD store. In the end I decided not to add this one to my collection. I prefer the 3 scores mentioned above, plus the Moviola compilation, and some of his earlier work such as Out Of Africa.
Hope this helps--I'm sure there are others who will recommend this, though.
Regards,
Scorro[This message has been edited by Scorro (edited 06-29-99).]
posted 06-29-1999 10:33 PM PT (US) 
lucchung
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Hi Ethan,I do have this soundtrack. I personally don't like it even though I enjoy some of Barry's scores such as Swept from the Sea, Game of Death, Dances with Wolves, The Living Daylight, King Kong. I'm not a John Barry fan but I do like those scores I mentioned. Barry is not the kind of composer that you can dig into every scores he made. Those scores I have are probably the most disverse Barry collection you can have. If you're a John Barry fan, you might enjoy The Beyondness of Things but if you're just so-so on him. Skip it.
posted 06-30-1999 12:10 PM PT (US) 
Luscious Lazlo

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THE BEYONDNESS OF THINGS is a frigging masterpiece. This record is incredibly lush & sappy. Which means, of course, that it instantly reminded me of The Mystical Presence That Is Howard. It also reminded me of Aaron Copland & Peter Schickele, because it has that same kind of stately melancholic folksiness. ("Meadow of Delight and Sadness" is especially Schickele-esque.) All 12 tracks have full orchestral arrangements, but Barry gave a pop-tune structure to all of the tracks. Some tracks even do the gradual fade-out shtick that is often used on pop tunes.Barry uses a solo harmonica on a few tunes, just as he did in "Theme from Midnight Cowboy". And just as he did in "Theme from Midnight Cowboy", Barry indulges in luxuriant expansive melancholia & wistfulness. Barry also frequently uses a distant female singer to bookend the tunes. She sings brief wordless phrases in an ethereal manner. Her passages in "Give Me A Smile" are achingly beautiful. In "Gifts of Nature", Barry gave the female singer some brilliant modernistic harmonic notes.
My fave tune is "A Childhood Memory". It has a brass passage that's astoundingly effective because Barry knows how to create chordal tension. The liner notes contain the following epigraph from Paul Bowles: "How many more times will you remember a certain afternoon of your childhood, some afternoon that's so deeply a part of your being that you can't even conceive of your life without it? Perhaps four or five times more. Perhaps not even that. How many more times will you watch the full moon rise? Perhaps twenty. And yet it all seems limitless."
[This message has been edited by Luscious Lazlo (edited 21 April 2000).]
posted 04-18-2000 08:15 AM PT (US) 
Al

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It's a nice listen, but nothing incredible. I enjoy listening to it now and then, but I wouldn't miss it if it were no longer in my collection. There are other albums you'd probably enjoy more out there.NP: Crow: Salvation
posted 04-18-2000 12:54 PM PT (US) 
Nicolai P. Zwar

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It is a very good concept album, highly enjoyable. One of Barry's strongest CDs, because it features a lot of diverse themes. If you like Barry's scores for "Swept from the Sea", "Cry, the Beloved Country", or "Dances With Wolves", you should absolutely love "The Beyondness of Things". Conversely, if you do not much care for Barry's output to begin with, "The Beyondness of Things" is unlikely to change your point of view.
posted 04-18-2000 01:10 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Hmmmmmmm?!
I can see where your all coming from!
Me personally?, I fall heavily into The MUST buy catagory, and do give it the 5/5, but then Barry is My favorite Film Composer, So I would say that, wouldn't I?!!NP : Laurie Johnson - First Men In The Moon
posted 04-18-2000 04:12 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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I've got to go with the plus side for this too. Not all of it is great and with that folksy harmonica I can see what people say about it being cute or sappy and I can see why Redford rejected it---but boy is it pretty. No getting around just how beautiful this sounds in places. I'd say take the plunge.NP: Carl Davis conducts James Bond Themes
posted 04-18-2000 09:16 PM PT (US) 
Cole

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I love the Beyondness of things. I do understand, however, why some disaprove of this work. Everyone has different tastes. If you like his other lush romantic works you wont be dissapointed in the least. The first track alone is worth getting the CD in my opinion. The Harmonica parts are not my favorite moments on the album but good nonetheless.
NP - Somewhere in Time
posted 04-18-2000 09:22 PM PT (US) 
Bel366

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I LOVE this cd! At the store where I work, we have this on our overhead sound system for our customers and we have always sold one or two copies when it is played. The same with
the Decca cd for PLAYING BY HEART.
posted 04-19-2000 04:19 AM PT (US) 
JClark

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On the strength of the strongly varying opinions above, yesterday I bought BEYONDNESS. I was, to be honest, a little disappointed. I found the album to be a little monothematic, with each track mimicking the prior one, which makes the album as a whole seem quite long.I agree that as a concept album it is intriguing, but the music in it seemed too much a descendant of DANCES WITH WOLVES (one of my earliest soundtracks, and one that I do enjoy). Barry is quite capable of writing in a diverse array of styles (my favorites are ZULU, THE KNACK, BODY HEAT, SOMEWHERE IN TIME, DANCES WITH WOLVES, and ELIZABETH IN LONDON). BEYONDNESS is just too allied with only one of those styles--and, like someone said above, it's territory well covered elsewhere in one's collection.
NP: Bach--St. John's Passion (for Holy Week)
posted 04-19-2000 07:21 AM PT (US) 
Sid Mysterioso
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http://www.moviewave.freeserve.co.uk/titles/beyondness.html James Southall tells it like it is, baby.
http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/beyondness.html Christian Clemmensen is a shallow-souled doofus who deserves to be stuffed inside a goddam bottle and sent out with the Gulf Stream.
http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/public_html/personal/cm1jwb/beynescd.htm Jonathan Broxton can recognize Fine Quality Entertainment when he hears it.
http://www.scorelogue.com/beyondness_of_things.html VB & NT did a track-by-track commentary.
posted 04-19-2000 09:04 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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JClark,
Have you checked out The Lion In Winter?!
In My opinion Barry's BEST score!If not?.....your missing out!!
posted 04-19-2000 05:57 PM PT (US) 
Howard L
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Yes, he is missing out. I'll take solid dependable style any day over daring experimental insipidness. "Moviola" has been mentioned and in the documentary of the same name Sydney Pollack stated that "when you hear Barry you can't help but see movies" and without a doubt Beyondness is movie music.That opening piece entitled "The Beyondness of Things" bespeaks reverence, humility and respect. --For what? Use your cinematic imagination. And if you see or hear Dances With Wolves what difference does it make? It's not the same music but it's beautiful music. That's what counts. "The Heartlands" is ominous; it says be careful, take precaution; O.K., looks like you're going to make it, steady as she goes--but remain vigilant. Great use of background chorus at the outset. Gonna take some doing, some coaxing but "Give Me a Smile" from more than the hidden heart. That sax in "Nocturnal New York" says yeah, it's tough in the city that never sleeps and you get kicked around every now and then but you'll survive--and not have it any other way. And if that sax reminds you of the Inside Moves theme, good. And if "Meadow of Delight & Sadness" reminds you of Mary Queen Of Scots, good too. "Gifts of Nature" remains for me the quintessential cue to underscore tragedy, large or small. No such thing as a small tragedy, I think. "The Fictionist" is a denouement, of sorts; you've been through a lot, gosh darnit you're on the cusp of something...you may not make it all the way but it's been worth it just getting this far. And if that mood piece called "Dawn Chorus" has that "Arthusa" touch from King Kong--good.
Yeah. It's movie music all right. And damn good movie music at that.
[This message has been edited by Howard L (edited 21 April 2000).]
posted 04-20-2000 05:49 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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HowardL....Well spoken!
posted 04-20-2000 08:05 PM PT (US) 
JClark

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Ok, so I've been rhapsodized and browbeaten, and I've decided to give it a second listen.I do have THE LION IN WINTER, but only on cassette, and haven't listened to it in years. Will do so soon, because there just might be a Barry fanatic lurking within me. Just now, in fact, I ordered Raise the Titanic from Screen Archives.
NP: Shostakovich: HAMLET & THE GADFLY (wonderful!)
posted 04-21-2000 07:55 AM PT (US) 
Howard L
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It's just that the music of composers with style seems to tell a story. BTW, do you have Shostakovich's "Festive Overture"? Put it on for me.[This message has been edited by Howard L (edited 21 April 2000).]
posted 04-21-2000 09:38 AM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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At the risk of reiterating some of the above comments, let me just say that John Barry is always John Barry, and if you like him you can't go too far wrong with this. I'm not a huge fan, and find some of his romantic themes a little banal in the way they resolve, kind of awkwardly going full circle in order to start all over again.Having said that, The Beyondness Of Things gets 4 out of 5 from me. Most of it is really quite lovely. Track 2 "Kissably Close" is pure seduction: I experienced first love again (not naughty, just nice).
posted 04-21-2000 11:38 AM PT (US) 
Valere

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This is my happy,guilty,PLEASURE! I cannot recommend this one enough!But then again,I am a die-hard fan. (King Rat was the first that I heard of his music,so this is just more from him. Only serious lovers of his music should apply,but I think that this some simply enjoyable music,that all can enjoy!NP:Raise the Titantic :To Cornwall *****/*****
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