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    Topic:   Great Choral Works for Film

     Aaron Collins
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    During another post, choral works in film popped up. So I thought it would be interesting to see what pieces you thought were the best example of chorus in film.
    I have selected a couple and I will rank them accordingly.

    1. Empire of the Sun- "Exsultate Justi"
    2. The Omen
    3. Amistad
    4. Edward Scissorhands- "Main Title and Ice Dance"
    5. Duel of Fates
    6. Saving Private Ryan
    7. The Hunt for Red October

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    posted 06-02-1999 12:03 PM PT (US)     

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    Interesting topic

    As I mentioned before, I consider Danny Elfman´s Edward Scissorhands (especially The Grand Finale) one of the greatest choral works in filmmusic historie. In general, Danny Elfman is unsurpassed when it comes to using choir in scores.
    Also, The Omen is good...I do not own the score yet, but it works EXTREMELY well within the movie.
    Duel of the Fates is a very nice piece of music, but I must admit not one of my favorites.
    Some of my other favorite choral works are Nightbreed, Impire of the Sun, First Knight and ofcourse the cue "Descent into Mystery" from the Batman score; when you hear it, it is obvious that a genious wrote it. As is the case with every other Elfman score

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    posted 06-02-1999 12:21 PM PT (US)     

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    We can all agree on "Edward Scissorhands"... one of Danny Elfman's best. The music in that soundtrack is so good, it's often imitated in many car commercials and perfume commercials and etc.

    There's also the famous bit from "The Matrix" movie trailer everybody was talking about a month ago, which we found out came from Enigma in a song called "The Eyes of The Truth". Even though most of the song was new-age-ish (and it wasn't half-bad ), the choral part of the song is what really stood out.

    Also, in the really good "12 Monkeys" movie trailer, http://www.filmscouts.com/zzvclip/twe-mon/twe-mon.mov , there was some very, very powerful choral music in it. I later asked and was told that it was from the film, "Waterworld"

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    posted 06-02-1999 01:27 PM PT (US)     

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    This was the exact same topic I was going to post today . The Omen and First Knight are among my favorite chorla works by Goldsmith, and I also love Elfman's Mars Attacks! and Edward Scissorhands (most significantly "The Grand Finale"). Duel of the Fates is also very good. i can't really list any more because I'm not very familiar with very many choral pieces.

    James
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    posted 06-02-1999 01:31 PM PT (US)     

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    I like that people are mentioning Jerry Goldsmith's scores that feature major choral counterparts. There are a few really great ones. Those mentioned already, plus The Final Conflict, for example.

    While I am on the choral stuff, I've been meaning to ask if anyone's noticed how Williams' "Duel of the Fates" sounds a lot like the choral material Basil Poledouris writes? I am not talking lyrics, I am talking musical structure and sonance. Which Poledouris piece does "Duel of the Fates" sound most like?

    PeterK

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    posted 06-02-1999 01:35 PM PT (US)     

     Matt
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    Id say Duel of the Fates, Hunt for Red October, Crimson Tide, Glory(definately), Titanic, and Edward Scissorhands.
    Oh, in Track 11 of the Saint(Kremlin Riot) there is some powerful chorals that accompany the fast drum beat of the Saint theme. check it out if you have it.

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    posted 06-02-1999 02:39 PM PT (US)     

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    Duel... Shadows of the Empire, Omen...

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    posted 06-02-1999 03:48 PM PT (US)     

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    The best choral works in my opinion are Conan the Barbarian and Cutthroat Island. Both of these scores will make you drive too fast if you are listening to them on the in the car. Cutthroat Island may be the best score that most folks have never heard. The action cues are fantastic.

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    posted 06-02-1999 07:54 PM PT (US)     

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    My favorite choral works in film music are definitely WATERWORLD. James Newton Howard creates an awesome atmosphere with his use of choral in this score. He also does a great job with choral in THE POSTMAN, a little more subtle though.

    John Williams does great stuff with chorus in his scores. I think DUEL OF THE FATES proves that. I also love Exsultate Justi from EMPIRE OF THE SUN.

    David Arnold's STARGATE has some great choral work in it as well.

    Alan Silvestri's YOUNG GUNS 2, comes to mind as having some good choral in it.

    And I think Hans Zimmer adds a lot to his scores when he throws in a little choral even if it might be synthisized it still sounds great.

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    posted 06-03-1999 06:17 AM PT (US)     

     James
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    My brain must not have been working before. How could I have fogotten about these great choral pieces?

    Hush (Chris Young)
    The Hunt for Red October (Basil Poledouris)
    QB VII (Jerry Goldsmith)

    QB VII has some great choral work on it. Just listen to that last track...

    James
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    posted 06-03-1999 09:53 AM PT (US)     

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    How about "The Abyss". When I first heard it i thought it was from some great religious epic from the '30s or '40s.
    I think it was Alan Silvestri work? I'm going to ask a really dumb question, how do you guys get those little smiley faces, frowny faces in here? They are a nice touch.
    Ed.

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    posted 06-03-1999 10:17 AM PT (US)     

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    I was listening Prokofiev's ALEXANDER NEVSKY on the radio, that is great choral stuff. Anything by John Williams.

    One other thing, I think people are badly influenced by Danny Elfman or Horner, to mention a few names, that keep saying that Williams' has been influenced by them or others. I love Danny Elfman and Horner, but for cryin' out loud, I think John Williams didn't even remembered them when he was writing The Duel of the Fates, or the wordless chorus, when some people say composers have been using a choir more often since Elfman's Scissorhands or Horner's APOLLO 13. I do think that Williams has been influenced or borrowed from Prokofiev or Starvinsky, and even Miklos Rosza from BEN HUR(I thought that was great) . Danny Elfman has also written music that borrows from these composers. Didn't Jerry Goldsmith said that if you're going to borrow, borrow from the best?

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    posted 06-03-1999 10:54 AM PT (US)     

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    The choir work from Glory was incredibly beautiful, I can't believe it was only mentioned once. Horner had some more nice boys choir stuff during the execution scene in Braveheart. Patrick Doyle had some great, dark choir work in Needful Things. An underrated score from an underrated movie.

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    posted 06-03-1999 05:49 PM PT (US)     

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    Ed,

    Read the FAQ. It explains everything about smileys. Sorry for digressing, everyone.

    James

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    posted 06-03-1999 07:44 PM PT (US)     

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    Yes, Patrick Doyle has been the master recently, I'd say. His Non Nonbis from HENRY V and the End Titles from MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING are particularly good, albeit in contrasting styles.


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    posted 06-04-1999 11:20 AM PT (US)     

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    Duel of the Fates all the way.

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    posted 06-04-1999 01:28 PM PT (US)     

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    Id like to second that comment about Henry V, good call Jonathan
    NP: Henry V

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    posted 06-04-1999 07:24 PM PT (US)     

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    I like to mention music that might have gone unnoticed.
    Black Robe, by Georges Delerue is an excellent score ending with track 21, Libera Me, an exquisite choral piece.

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    posted 06-05-1999 09:42 AM PT (US)     

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    I just wanted to add one score. It isn't one of the great choral works, but I still do enjoy it. It is Airplane by Elmer Bernstein. It is a fun and full of humor!


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    posted 06-05-1999 11:52 AM PT (US)     

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    Scorro, good comment. This reminds me of Delerue's score for Agnes of God. Talk about using the choir to inspire the power and emotion of God - there are some absolutely stunning moments in this music.

    PeterK

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    posted 06-05-1999 12:43 PM PT (US)     

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    PeterK, always glad to here from a Delerue fan. I don't have the full score to Agnes Of God, but do have The London Sessions, Vol. 3 which has a gorgeous re-recording of Agnes. I'm sure there are other choral works recorded by GD that I will discover in the future. A recent acquisition I made was The Borgias, a medieval piece with a masterpiece of a main theme (Lucrenzia's Theme), a variety of medieval instrumentals, and some excellent choral work (Gregorian in nature, track 11 = Kyrie Eleison). Definitely not everyone's cup of tea, but a treasure none-the-less for music fans interested in exploring the roots of western music as interpreted by the great Georges Delerue. Happy listening, best regards!

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    posted 06-05-1999 01:09 PM PT (US)     

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    yes, G Delerue has some great choral work. One of my favs was Joe Versus The Volcano....some of the choral work was lyrical I think, but I love that score overall...was it ever available?

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    posted 06-05-1999 04:19 PM PT (US)     

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    Okay, QBVII is very good and all,but how can you all have forgotten about Kitaro´s Heaven and Earth??
    This has got to be one of the most epic scores ever composed,just imagine;Edward Scissorhands combined with Beyond Rangoon,exactly what it sounds like
    Okay,its got some traditional sounding stuff in it,but when the full force kicks in,It´ll Blow Elfman our of here

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    posted 06-05-1999 04:47 PM PT (US)     

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    I particularly like the Choral work in the Prince of Egypt score by Hans Zimmer. Especially of note is the Burning Bush track. The use of a young male voice blending seamlesly with the high shaku sounding asian flute is pretty nice.

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    posted 06-05-1999 10:39 PM PT (US)     

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    lets not forget about the wonderful chorus utiized in the score don davis did for The Matrix (tracks 3 and 4). Also, in the Metal Gear Solid game soundtrack track 2 and track 8 have truly powerful chorus and sound much like some of zimmers work.

    regards,
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    posted 06-07-1999 08:21 PM PT (US)     

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    This post was a while ago, but I decide to revive it!

    I still stand by my answers, although throw Conan up there!

    Thanks,
    Aaron

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    posted 04-04-2000 09:05 PM PT (US)     

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    Ok, I have so more to add:

    -Hunchback of Notre Dame(this is an awesome cd, listen to track 11 for an example of great writing)

    -Cutthroat Island- It was already mentioned, but this score is a score that I listen to every other day! This has some amazing parts and is one of the best scores of the 90's.

    -End of Days- not one of the best choral cd's, but what a great opening track.

    -Interview with the Vampire/Titus- Great choral stuff. Some of my favorites in these two scores!

    -Airplane- Great score! I love the choir in it and it is just a plain fun score!

    THESE ARE MY OPINIONS!

    Thanks,
    Aaron

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    posted 04-04-2000 09:41 PM PT (US)     

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    and now I must add kilar's NINTH GATE.
    choral/ solo work is just great.

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    posted 04-05-2000 04:59 AM PT (US)     

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    There was a choir in AIRPLANE! ?

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    posted 04-05-2000 05:55 AM PT (US)     

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    SBD,

    In Airplane, there was a HILARIOUS female choir. The finale piece includes a loud choir which builds and builds and builds until it gets so high that their voices crack, and they hit a really bad note.


    Non Nobis Domine is an excellent, excellent choral work that made the aftermath scene from Henry V one of the best film/music marriages out there.


    The Mission is nice, but it is more hypnotic than anything else.


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    posted 04-05-2000 06:57 AM PT (US)     

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    "The Final Conflict," definitely -- the unquestionable best of the Omen Trilogy. And Shirley Walker did some nice Choral work on the animated Batman movie.

    And has everyone forgotten Mssrs. Alfred Newman and Miklos Rozsa? The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Ben-Hur, a THOUSAND others ... going back even further, Prokofiev wrote some great choral film scores.

    Oh ... and please give credit where credit is due. Horner didn't write most of "Glory." He just did a clever job of twisting around (dilluting, if you ask me) previously existing works by Prokofiev and Orff. Yes, it worked tremendously well for the film, and I see why so many people love it. But the fact is, Horner is about 5% responsible for that music, so please. Not to keep thrashing a dead horse, but give Horner credit for something he deserves ... he knows what a picture needs and he gives it to them. Out of 30+ Horner CDs (including "Glory") I have heard Horner do many things ... but I have yet to hear him WRITE great choral music. At this point, I don't expect I ever will.

    (PS - Fans of "Glory" should also enjoy Orff's "Carmina Burana" and Prokofiev's "Ivan the Terrible" ... both tremendous choral works, which have contributed volumes to the world of film scoring.)

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    posted 04-05-2000 08:00 AM PT (US)     

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    I'll second the opinion on THE NINTH GATE. The cue "Vocalise" is hauntingly beautiful. Also second many of the others listed here, particularly THE FINAL CONFLICT, HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER, and THE ABYSS.

    I just cannot believe that no one has mentioned Morricone's THE MISSION or some of the work on MISSION TO MARS!

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    posted 04-05-2000 08:58 AM PT (US)     

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    Who can forget the INCREDIBLE, chilling choir Goldsmith employed in Poltergiest???? My second favorite score of all time (behind Alien, of course...thank you Ian...)

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    posted 04-05-2000 09:24 AM PT (US)     

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    Ya' beat me to it, Wedge!
    Some of the greatest choral work in cinema history can be heard in "Ben-Hur" by Miklos Rozsa, and "The Robe" by Alfred Newman.
    (With apologies to Newmans earlier "The Hunchback Of Notre Dame).


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    posted 04-05-2000 09:38 AM PT (US)     

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    No apologies necessary, Chris! I've got 'em both!

    And Joe, I hereby give myself a sound kick-in-the-pants for forgetting "Poltergeist."

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    posted 04-05-2000 12:37 PM PT (US)     

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    As this is such a long thread, I haven't read much of it. I'll simply post my choices:

    * THE DARK SIDE BECKONS (Jedi)
    * The Phantom Menace
    * The Lord of the Rings
    * The "Omen" Trilogy (especially #3, of course)
    * Raiders of the Lost Ark (for the "Dawn: Map Room" track)
    * Ben Hur
    * And "Much Ado About Nothing", if it can rank as a choral work.

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    posted 04-05-2000 01:38 PM PT (US)     

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    O.k., I agree with almost all of the above post's, But there's one man who write's brilliant choral music when the occasion is there,....That man is JOHN BARRY!

    No mention of The Lion In Winter?,One of the best film scores of all time?!!

    The Last Valley?....This 'un-sung' score is excellent!

    Good choral pieces also in The Specialist,Walkabout,Moonraker and Ruby Cairo (another good un-sung Barry score....woefull film though!!).

    Barry also composed a fabulous short choral piece for Bond's 'cremation' in Diamonds Are Forever, sadly unreleased!

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    posted 04-05-2000 05:00 PM PT (US)     

     Howard L
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    A few other wordless choral delights (in no particular order):

    Obsession
    Close Encounters
    Raintree County
    Invaders From Mars (1953)
    Hymn for the Fallen
    Superman: The Movie
    Brigadoon (Mr. Lundy's tale)
    Brainstorm
    Grand Canyon
    Raiders of the Lost Ark

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    posted 04-05-2000 05:03 PM PT (US)     

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    I have a few more to add:

    THE PIT AND THE PENDULUM (Richard Band)
    - "Main Titles"
    - "Onslaught"
    - "The Night Auto Da Fe"

    TROLL (Richard Band)
    - "Cantos Profane"

    James

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    posted 04-05-2000 05:43 PM PT (US)     

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    THANK YOU, TIMMER!

    I was waiting to see if anyone would mention "The Lion In Winter" and "The Last Valley"!

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    posted 04-05-2000 06:15 PM PT (US)     
     

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