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Topic: Bad News On Scream 3 Score!!

JeffreyJ
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I heard some news today that Beltrami MIGHT not get to score the last chapter in the Scream series "Scream 3".
I heard from one of the employees at his agentcy that since this will be the big and final Scream movie that the "Big Guys" Disney want a more well known composer.
Talks was that Danny Elfman might get the job. But don't give up just yet, Craven and Willimson said that they would like Beltrami to score the last film. So keep your figures crossed.Jeff
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SFT

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It would be a pitty if Beltrami is not going to score Scream 3. But then again, if they are going to replace hin with someone, then who could be better than Danny Elfman?SFT
NP: Cape Fear, Bernard Herrmann
posted 04-22-1999 08:49 AM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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I agree with SFT, in fact heck, Elfman's contribution to the Scream 2 score was darn good.Dan (UK)
posted 04-22-1999 01:20 PM PT (US) 
Ted

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Ooooh, Danny Elfman...Oh, the possibilities!
posted 04-22-1999 04:32 PM PT (US) 
Dawk

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This just made me think of a cool idea!! how about Danny Elfman and Marco Beltrami collaborated on the score to Scream 3.. that has some serious ass-kicking potential!posted 04-22-1999 08:21 PM PT (US) 
Maestro Sartori

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I REALLY hope that Marco Beltrami will score Scream 3, and that they'll get their heads out of their butts and release a fuller score from the movie. While they're at it, include some unreleased tracks from the first two films. These movies are real money-makers!! If it's that expensive to license the release, I'd think that they can afford it?Do you all agree?
posted 04-23-1999 01:44 AM PT (US) 
pietari

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I definitely agree with the statement above, just imagine a 79 minute release of scream music!
I think Beltrami is amuch better choice than Elfman, even though Elfman`s Cassandra Aria was quite good, but somehow it feels natural to hear Beltrami`s familiar themes in a scream film
PIetari
posted 04-23-1999 08:14 AM PT (US) 
SFT

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Pietari, although Beltramiīs work on the first two Scream movies was magnificent, I just donīt think itīs thematical enough to say that he is the only one capable of scoring Scream 3. Elfman could certainly compose something far better than Beltrami, in my opinion.
Now, Iīm not trying to start a "Beltrami vs. Elfman" fight, but I just think Elfman would be great for the job, and to be completely honest Iīm actually hoping that he is going to score it.SFT
[This message has been edited by SFT (edited 04-23-99).]
posted 04-23-1999 11:03 AM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

SFT,In my opinion, I don't think Elfman could compose anything "far better" than Marco Beltrami in this case. After all, Beltrami is the composer who scored the original (read: created the original sound) of the movie. Why not have him score the third film?
Anyway, back to the discussion. I personally feel Elfman's score would be just like his music for The Frighteners. This was a score I couldn't even listen to all the way through. If you asked me, Elfman doesn't do very well when it comes to straight horror. Elfman is most brilliant when it comes to fantasy, like Batman or Edward Scissorhands.
Go Beltrami!
PeterK
posted 04-23-1999 12:06 PM PT (US) 
SFT

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PeterK, although I respect your opinion, I still have to disagree with you. Elfman is extemely good at scoring fantasy films like Edward Scissorhands, but his style has changed radicaly since he created that score. Just listen to things like Delores Claiborne.
I really feel that he could compose a score to Scream 3, wich would far surpass anything Beltrami could do. I have very high admiration for Elfmanīs ability to ajust his personal style to the movies he scores. As said before, the general thing with people who do not know much of his work, is, that they only think he can create music for movies like Batman and Darkman...and that just isīnt true.
And, I hardly think his score to Scream 3 would sound anything like The Frighteners, itīs two totaly different types of horror movies, and Elfman is always trying to give whatever movie he may be scoring, a unic(?) musical tone. Just like with NightBreed.
And to your coment that Elfman doesīnt do vey well when it comes to straight horror: The Frighteners and NightBreed does not really qualify as horrormovies. I mean, itīs just monstermovies. A horror movie, to me, is one that inspires true fear in people, like Psycho does. Elfman has never really been given the oportunitie to create a truly frightening score, but when he does, it will be incredible. Thatīs just my opinion.
SFT
posted 04-23-1999 12:53 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

SFT, I totally respect your opinion like you do mine, but I must ask how you can suggest Elfman can write something "far better" than what Beltrami could do if you admit Elfman hasn't even had the chance to score a truly frightening movie before?I can say Beltrami's new Scream score will be nothing short of perfect for two reasons:
1) He scored the original Scream movies
2) He wrote the music for Mimic, a truly frightening film score
As for Elfman, who knows? We can't say he can do anything far better than Beltrami until he actually does something far better than Beltrami and in Beltrami's own territory!
PeterK
posted 04-23-1999 01:27 PM PT (US) 
SFT

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We are all entitled to our own opinions, and I think that Elfman can write a better score for Scream 3, simply because I think he is a better composer than Beltrami. Although he hasīnt had the chance to score a true horrormovie, I still believe he can. Letīs not forget hes contribution to Scream 2
SFT
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posted 04-23-1999 01:31 PM PT (US) 
pietari

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When Elfman is writing thriller music nowadays ( Like Dolores) he just doesn`t do it melodically enough ( even though there still are enticing melodies) to come close to what Beltrami has achieved with his horror scores ( especially Mimic). I like very strong melodies in my thriller/horror scores and only occasional or well structured bouts of atonality/experimentative music. And Beltrami,along with C. Young seems to be a master in this area. Elfman`s modern style just can`t compete with their mastery of this genre.
Pietari
posted 04-25-1999 05:43 AM PT (US) 
SFT

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pietari, letīs not pass judgment before we hear what Elfman actually can do with a horrormovie...I personally (as the Elfman freak that I am) think he could do something brilliant...but I donīt expect you to agree with me
SFT
NP: Cape Fear, Bernard Herrmann
posted 04-25-1999 08:45 AM PT (US) 
Yumbo
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well,the best thing about Scream 2 was Broken Arrow.
let's see if there is a carryover.
won't be surprised to see hans there ala pacific heights.grin,
chriszposted 04-27-1999 09:02 AM PT (US) 
pietari

OscarŪ Winner

Even though I would like to see Hans scoring every film out there, Istill think that Beltrami would be a better choice.Yes, Beltrami`s Dewey`s theme was really close to Broken Arrow andcould have been used in the film instead of temptracking BA into it. I don`t think the PH score type of scoring would work in a Scream film, except maybe the main title type of music in `allthe students walking into school` shots. Though I would like to see wwhat Hans would come up with, given his new sound and all.
posted 04-27-1999 01:23 PM PT (US) 
Audacity

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Wow! This post was a long time ago. I was killing time reading some old posts and had a question about this one, I finally saw the movie recently.Dan Brecher, what did you mean by "Elfman's contribution to the Scream 2 score was darn good",? Did Elfman compose some of the music for this film?
Also, how did they get away with using Zimmer's Broken Arrow cue? Are the two movies produced by the same person or something?
Audacity
N.P. Akira ***posted 06-30-1999 05:58 AM PT (US) 
SFT

OscarŪ Winner

I donīt know why they used Zimmers Broaken Arrow, sorry.Danny Elfman composed "Cassandra Aria". It is the music played in the theatre-scene.
SFT
posted 06-30-1999 06:15 AM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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Yes, I have to agree with Yumbo, there--I loved hearing BROKEN ARROW in SCREAM 2.Though there was nary a care, I explained to my literature class the genius behind using a beautiful music cue originally employed to symbolize a villain in BROKEN ARROW, and turning it around to use it as heroic cue in SCREAM 2.
At the time, my literature class was reading "Paradise Lost", and this was additionally stimulated by the comment Hans Zimmer made in the liner notes of BROKEN ARROW about Satan being the most beautiful angel, and having the most beautiful music.
For the record, I think Beltrami's terrific, and even after getting the Varese SCREAM/SCREAM 2 score release, I was on the phone with his agency telling them how great it was.
posted 06-30-1999 06:50 AM PT (US) 
Al

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Beltrami IS Scream, but if he doesn't score the 3rd film because he is scoring something outside of the horror genre then I won't be too disappointed. I'd like to see such a talented guy spread his wings. Perhaps a romantic comedy? It would be interesting.
Elfman's work in Scream 2 was good, but I didn't think that any of it was as memorable as what Beltrami wrote.
posted 06-30-1999 08:54 PM PT (US) 
J.Guru

OscarŪ Nominee

Please, No Elfman on Scream 3. His music has been going deeply down since Mars Attacks. Men In Black was not good at all, only the Main Titles were listenable. Allthough his work for Scream 2 sounded like the good old Elfman, his latest scores just havenīt been worth listening to. Donīt get me wrong I really like Elfmans music but just not the ones he has made in the past couple of years. Just put Beltrami back on Scream 3!
posted 07-01-1999 01:47 PM PT (US) 
SFT

OscarŪ Winner

J Guru,There we go again, saying that Elfmanīs scores arent listenable...
They work for the movie right? So what are you complaining about? I really donīt think Elfman cares wheter or not you like listening to his scores, heīs just trying to do his best for the movie. That doesīnt allways result in a "listenable" score.SFT
posted 07-01-1999 01:58 PM PT (US) 
Widescreen
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You know, SFT, we had this argument over a month ago!
To Yumbo: Been wondering when you'd come by here, welcome!
Now to the topic at hand. Simply put- Marco Beltrami is a good composer, handled Scream extremely well- but I really wish he would attach himself to other assignments to get the full scope of what he can do. Really, as the nature of the scoring industry works, only time will tell us the direction he'll go.
As to Elfman: interestingly enough, his music for Sleepy Hollow is included in the preview (I'm guessing at this, please correct me if you know accurately what music it is)- and this is about the most exciting stuff to come out of Elfman to my ears since Batman (comparing by dark archetypes). Bottom line- until the official word is out for Scream 3, there are always other things to look forward to. I will be looking forward to what he does for Sleepy Hollow, but with reservation. Let's just wait and see.
posted 07-01-1999 04:14 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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There is a trailer for "Sleepy Hollow?" Where can I find it? I've been waiting for this for a long time. I hope Elfman's score is good.--Crono/Kyp
Writer/Director/ProducerNP: Final Fantasy VI-Personal Mix: Nobuo Uematsu (****1/2 /5)
posted 07-01-1999 06:24 PM PT (US) 
S Smith
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I'd like to address the original post, since it seems to have been diluted somewhat over time. Let's look at the stupidity of the possible reasoning of why Beltrami might not score "Scream 3." It's been suggested that because it's the last big deal, they'd get a bigger name. Come on now. Do they really think that they're going to increase their audience base by adding a "big name" to the film? Highly doubtful. They're going to attract the same crowd that watched the first two regardless of who does the composing. Beltrami started it and gave us two good scores. Let him finish what he started. Although it'd be typical of some idiotic producer to pull some kind of stunt like that.
posted 07-01-1999 10:22 PM PT (US) 
J.Guru

OscarŪ Nominee

SFT, No the latest Elfmans scores havenīt listenable and they also donīt work in the film. I think that Elfmans score for MIB somewhat ruined the movie, not to mention his other latest projects.
posted 07-02-1999 01:26 AM PT (US) 
SFT

OscarŪ Winner

Excuse me vey much for saying this, but I canīt help myself: GET A LIFE!!!!!Oh....that helped...
Just for the record I disagree totally with you...Elfmanīs scores fits the movies better than anyones. If you canīt see that, then you donīt know the first thing about the art of scoring movies!
SFT
PS- If I seem rude, then please forgive me
PPS - Some of the music used in the SH trailer is from Darkman and Beetlejuice...but there is also some of it I havent heard before.
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posted 07-02-1999 06:28 AM PT (US) 
pietari

OscarŪ Winner

SFT
Isnīt JGuru entitled to his own opinion? Need I once again remind you that that is what you seem to base most of your arguments on. He didnīt attack you personally, so if you must do that and disrespect his opinions in your quite narrow-minded postings you are only proving most of your statements incorrect by the the position from which they originate
Furthermore, how do you know Elfmanīs scores fit the movies better (what movies?) than any other composerīs?
Have you perchance heard a score from another composer for MIB for instance or is this once again your own opinion?
posted 07-02-1999 02:30 PM PT (US) 
SFT

OscarŪ Winner

If I seemed rude in my previous post(s) I apologize. Really, I am sorry. I just tend to flip everytime someone says something negativ about Elfman. Iīll try to restain myself. Yes, J Guru is intitled to his own opinion. But I just think he is totally wronge. I know I should have expressed my opinion differently, so let me correct myself here: Elfmanīs scores fits the movies better when compared to how well other scores fits their movies. He knows when to dominate the screen with his music, and when to "draw back" and let the action speak for itself. This is what some composers these days are missing. They may be able to create wonderfull music but they donīt know how to mix it effectively with the action on screen. Let me give you an example. The score "The Jackal" by Carter Burwell is a really well composed one. It has a great theme and is very powerfull. What fails it completely is itīs inability to ad something to the movie. It is very repetitive, and that "Main Theme" (for a lack of a better word) is used to much. It simply becomes to dominating on screen to many times, and therefore what happens in the movie
never really "sinks in". This is what the problem is. But you donīt see this problem with Elfman. Scores like A Simple Plan, Batman, Dead Presidents, Men In Black, Good Will Hunting (any Elfman score really) ect. all fit the movies perfectly. He goes by the philosophy that: Music should provide a gateway into a caracters mind. Iīm not saying that other composers are not as good; Shore, Morricone, Goldenthal, even Goldsmith and Williams at times are equaly talented composers. Wich one of them you think is best, is your own choice. I happen to think it is Elfman, thats all.SFT
NP: Predator, Alan Silvestri (complete score)
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posted 07-03-1999 04:31 AM PT (US) 
pietari

OscarŪ Winner

SFT
Once again all of this is your opinion, which doesnīt necessarily make it true.
In a film like The Jackal there really wasnīt any need to "get inside the heads of the characters" as it is not a character based film like A Simple Plan or Good Will Hunting. How did Elfman get inside the character of Dick Tracy (for example) in his score? Indeed most of your accusations against Burwellīs score could be pointed towards this particular score
posted 07-03-1999 06:04 AM PT (US) 
Lancelot

OscarŪ Winner

Well....not to get so far off topic--MEN IN BLACK was dead in the water before the movie even came out. Not the first, enigmatic preview....but the *second* preview--The one that showed you *everything*--every gadget, every alien. After seeing the movie, I really felt like I had already seen it. It was merely an "ok" movie, and despite its' "ok"-ness, I think Danny Elfman's score did more to help it than hinder it. (What really shot it down was that compilation of "pop-rap" songs that was released under the infamous "inspired by" title...)
posted 07-03-1999 07:28 AM PT (US) 
SFT

OscarŪ Winner

pietari,If you dismiss everything I say by saying: "That is just your opinion" then why are we even discussing this?
It seems to me, that if no ones opinion is valid, this board isīnt really nessecary.
As to your other point: Whether or not a movie like "The Jackal" needs a score with gets into the mind of the caracters, is debatable. Personally, I would have like a score wich was a little less "overdone", if you know what I mean. Regarding Dick Tracy, this was not a movie wich needed a score as for A Simple Plan (the same thing you say about The Jackal, althoug I donīt agree in full). It needed a grand, oldfashioned kind of score. And Elfman provided it.SFT
PS: I wasīnt bashing Burwell. Just that particular score.
NP: Predator, Alan Silvestr (Superb score!!!)
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posted 07-03-1999 07:56 AM PT (US) 
pietari

OscarŪ Winner

SFT
Isnīt everything you point out opinion based?
Yes Dick needed an old-fasioned score,but didnīt Jackal need a driving score?And whenever youīre talking about Elfman youīre only pointing out your particular opinion that many,like me,donīīt share.
So, by dismissing everybody elseīs opinions about filmmusic,especially Elfmanīs music,you are only doing harm to the cause you fight for. Can you not simply accept the fact that other people might like different kind of music from you?[This message has been edited by pietari (edited 07-04-99).]
posted 07-03-1999 05:26 PM PT (US) 
SFT

OscarŪ Winner

pietari,I haveīnt been dismissing anyones opinion. Iīm simply telling you mine. It seems to me, that no matter what I say, you keep comming back with that statment and itīs getting somewhat annoying. Please do not twist and turn everything I say around like that.
Ofcourse "The Jackal" needed a driving score, but not in the way Burwell created it. He should have found another approache then just "Hardboiled ex IRA-agent vs. crazy assasine with lots of big guns", instead he should have concentratet around the personal vendetta between the two caracters.
Once again, as you so often have pointed out, this is my own opinion. Please note that by stating my own opinion I have not put anyone elses down, or in any way prevented anyone from stating theirs.SFT
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posted 07-04-1999 02:27 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

OscarŪ Winner

GUYS GUYS GUYS!!!!!! Come on! This is ridiculous! Surely you can do this somewhere else! After all, the topic *is* "Bad News On Scream 3 Score!!," not "Let's bash eachother's favorite composers and debate which one is better and/or why we don't like them!" Because you two insist on arguing about this, I've set you up a topic of your own: "Pietari and SFT's Argument: Anyone Interested?". Hope you're happy!
Good day,
Jeronposted 07-04-1999 07:00 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

OscarŪ Winner

Okay, Okay... apparently Peter (or somebody) didn't appreciate what I was trying to do for you guys (my topic was erased)... but still, you get my point.
Jeron
posted 07-04-1999 10:42 AM PT (US) 
TimT

OscarŪ Winner

I don't see what the big deal is,
How is Beltrami not scoring Scream 3 bad news?
posted 07-04-1999 10:09 PM PT (US) 
S Smith
unregistered
Yeah Tim. Back on topic. How did this topic get to be an SFT vs. the world topic? (Not bashing either side, just making a FACT based observation).
posted 07-05-1999 05:42 PM PT (US) 
SFT

OscarŪ Winner

Iīm not even going to dignify that with response.
posted 07-06-1999 05:24 AM PT (US) 
J.Guru

OscarŪ Nominee

SFT
Just face it. Elfman is not the right guy to score Scream 3. (Frighteners anyone? Just think Scream 3 with that kind of crap played on the background.) Beltrami however is the man who is able to make horrormusic, so that it fits the film perfectly and is also listenable on a cd.
posted 07-06-1999 08:10 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
