Jeron

DEX: NP means Now Playing. As in what were you playing when you wrote your post.

Nice idea. There is SO much wonderful Goldsmith music out there.

You have pretty much summed up why such a venture is probably impractical.
Apart from anything else, just think of the volume of music one would have to include to truly represent Goldsmith’s life’s work.

Someone once said of Goldsmith (Ottman I think)…..”To know Jerry’s repertoire….is to be astounded”.

Certainly, a composer as accomplished, important and influential as Jerry Goldsmith DESERVES such a tribute compilation…..but like I say, there is SO much Goldsmith music out there.

When I ponder the vast array of fine Goldsmith soundtracks…..it is almost with a sense of selfish gratification that I appreciate the enormous variety and depth of this man’s work…..knowing that relatively few others are privy to the full extent of this man’s accomplishments.

And I can vouch for JoeInSanDiego's Goldsmith compilation CDs, there are awesome!! Opened my eyes to so many Goldsmith themes that I had never heard.

Although it probably would be worth it for the extensive Jerry biography alone.

Two possibilities: The first, less likely one: Fox wouldn't let the music go. The other: Goldsmith didn't WANT the rejected score on album. This isn't as strange as it might sound. He had a deal with Fox Records at the time THE VANISHING was scored, and he himself put the kibosh on a VANISHING album -- he felt it wasn't one of his better efforts, and simply asked Fox not to release it. (I know this from Fox Records Itself. No names beyond that may be volunteered.)

Goldsmith the Album Producer has always been absurdly tough on Goldsmith the Composer -- listen to such gorgeous expanded albums as SUPERGIRL, KING SOLOMON'S MINES or even STAR TREK -- although that was originally designed as a 2-LP release a la STAR WARS and SUPERMAN -- and compare them to the ones Goldsmith DID produce, and you'll understand what I mean. Whatever he considers substandard, he prefers not to let out of the bag -- I read an account of the mixing of the TOTAL RECALL album, and Bruce Botnick was all for including a quirky little piece of music for Arnold's escape via Johnny-Cab, but Goldsmith vetoed it.

A Goldsmith Box Set ... well, it's just a matter of time before something like that happens, but what shape will it possibly take? Unlike Herrmann in his last years, Goldsmith doesn't seem terribly interested in rerecording works for posterity -- though in Herrmann's case, he was wise to do so, since the elements of his older works were succumbing to time, dust, and lesser technologies. Goldsmith has less to worry about in that case. As well, at this rate, pretty much everything he ever WROTE may still be available in his lifetime ...

He sure DESERVES a great big box-set tribute, but I have to admit, I haven't more than a vague idea what such a thing should look like.

YEAH!

2 examples:

1) Alien Nation - Theme became main theme for Russia House...therefore, if you want to be technical, Alien Nation's main theme WAS released as Russia House.

2) Gladiator - Theme became main theme for The Vanishing...therefore, if you want to be technical, Gladiator's main theme WAS....ooops...well The Vanishing WASN'T released....but you get the idea...

NP - Jerry Goldsmith - Main Titles Vol.2

Aaron...thanks for the kind words...working on Volume Three...with main titles from MANY unreleased Goldsmith films...

Statement: I think my favorite track on disc #2 is track 13...the main title to MORITURI...wow...I just love it...Favorite on Disc #1 is either track 2 - Caboblanco, or track 9 - Justine.

Question: What is your favorite track on each volume? Just out of curiosity.

NP - A Patch of Blue - Goldsmith

Mr. InSanDiego, I understand your point about why rejected scores aren't released -- I CERTAINLY understand why ALIEN NATION wouldn't be released NOW. But why not THEN? Goldsmith hadn't even HEARD of THE RUSSIA HOUSE yet. The re-use would have been minimal. No, I suspect Goldsmith was approached and begged off the whole concept, and they listened (just as James Horner has vetoed legit CD releases of BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS and HUMANOIDS FROM THE DEEP, and Chris Young has said "noooo way" to legit CD releases of PRANKS and THE POWER.)

In some ways, it's just as well. The theme is so perfect for THE RUSSIA HOUSE (especially as arranged for Branford Marsalis' lovely alto sax) that I wouldn't have it any other way. And now, through the magic of CDR (sorry PeterK), we have at least a chance at hearing further expansions of the same theme, as written for an earlier project.

I really hope this happens someday. Other than John Williams, I can't think of anyone else worthy of such a tribute.

- A.

NP: Mulan (Complete Recording- 75:04) - 4.5/5

Peoples talked about this in an interview, and said, "So if Todd ever went to L.A., there's a chance he could meet Deckard."

See? You learn something new everyday.

Hmm . . . And he was born before Russell played Wyatt Earp.

NP: see above

Anybody else notice that the picture reunites three of the original Seven Samurai? Toshiro Mifune, Seiji Miyaguchi (he was The One Who Could Not Be Beaten) and Yoshio Inaba (the fat one with so little personality that he got away alive because it wouldn't have mattered to the audience if he made it out or not.)

Surprisingly flat and boring photography by the great Kozo Okazaki, who earlier did AMAZING work on the tedious but beautiful samurai picture GOYOKIN (1968). Also shot the pathetic THE YAKUZA for Sydney Pollack in 1974, a wretched Schrader Bros. script that frittered away what little potential the story ever had. THE CHALLENGE is a much more bold and honest Americanization of the little-known (stateside) second-generation yakuza genre. For all its bizarre plot complications, it's also one of the few Hollywood movies ever made that actually accurately reflects certain aspects of Japanese culture and tradition.

Frankenheimer is one of those directors who seems to specifically ENJOY juggling his cameramen -- rarely (if ever) works with the same one twice. Especially enjoys working with local talent (Okazaki in Japan; Robert Fraisse in France on RONIN; etc.) But gets the same results every time. THAT in part is the mark of someone who REALLY knows what he's doing: roughly the same look, no matter HOW many times he changes the guard. Of younger directors, I imagine that Oliver Stone is closest to being his heir -- look at the work he got out of first-time DP Salvatore Totino and these editors he hardly knew, and ANY GIVEN SUNDAY is still indelibly an Oliver Stone movie, for good or for ill (for good as far as I'M concerned.)

Disc One-the 50's and 60's (unreleased)
City of Fear (if available)
Black Patch (if available)
Studs Lonigan
Seven Days In May**
Seconds**
Lonely Are The Brave
Take Her She's Mine**
Shock Treatment**
The List of Adrian Messinger
The Prize
The Spirial Road
Bandolero
Fate Is The Hunter**
Warning Shot**
The General With the Cockeyed I.D.
The Stripper
Lilies of the Field
Von Ryan's Express
In Harm's Way
Morturi
100 Rifles
Rio Conchos
Stagecoach
The Trouble With Angels
Hour of the Gun
The Chairman
The Detective**
The Illustrated Man
The Flim-Film Man
The Satan Bug**
Justine
In Like Flint
Our Man Flint
The Blue Max
Sabastian

DISC TWO-The 70's
The Travelling Executioner**
Ace Eli And Roger of the Skies**
The Memphisto Waltz
Tora Tora Tora**
Escape From The Planet of the Apes
The Other
Ransom aka.The Terrorists
Logan's Run
Damnation Alley**
S.P.Y.S**
The Don Is Dead**
Shamus** (if it can be rescued somehow)
The Wild Rovers
The Great Train Robbery
The Cassandra Crossing
Coma
Damien Omen 2
The Reincarnation of Peter Proud**
Magic**
High Velocity
Twlight's Last Gleaming
Take A Hard Ride
One Little Indian**
The Ballad of Cable Hogue**
Rio Lobo**
Players**
The Swarm
Alien
Breakout
Breakheart Pass
MacArthur
Capricorn One (original recording)**

DISC THREE-The 80's
Poltergeist
Poltergeist 2 The Other Side
Twlight Zone The Movie
The Challenge**
The Final Conflict
The Burbs
Raggedy Man
Night Crossing
Baby Secret of the Lost Legend**
Gremlins
Supergirl
The Lonely Guy
Extreme Prejudice
Innerspace
Rent-A-Cop
Leviathan
Star Trek 5
First Blood
King Solomon's Mines
Rambo First Blood Part 2
Warlock
Rambo 3
Lionheart
Link
Runaway
Pyscho 2
Criminal Law
Alien Nation-rejected**
The Secret of NIMH
Inchon
Caboblanco
The Salamander**
Outland

DISC FOUR-The 90's
Star Trek First Contact
Star Trek Insurrection
U.S.Marshals
Small Soldiers
The Ghost and the Darkness
The Edge
Sleeping With The Enemy
Total Recall
Not Without My Daughter
Mom and Dad Save The World
Two Days In The Valley-rejected**
Gladiator-rejected**
Air Force One
Powder
Congo
I.Q.**
Medicine Man
The Vanishing
Dennis the Menace
Six Degrees of Separation
Rudy
Malice
City Hall
Chain Reaction**
The Mummy
The 13th Warrior
The Haunting
The Shadow
Bad Girls
Matinee
Fierce Creatures
Executive Decision
First Knight
Judge Dredd Trailer

DISC FIVE-Academy Award Nominees and Winners
The Boys From Brazil
Patton
Star Trek The Motion Picture
A Patch Of Blue
L.A.Confidential
The Omen
The Wind And The Lion
Planet of the Apes
Freud
Papillion
Chinatown
Under Fire
Poltergeist
The Sand Peebles
Hoosiers
Mulan
Basic Instinct
Islands In The Stream

DISC-Television Themes and Pilots
Barnaby Jones
Dr.Kildare
The Twlight Zone
Amazing Stories (Boo!)
Room 222
Hawkins On Murder
Policewoman
The Waltons
Police Story
Archer
Medical Story
H.E.L.P.
To Trap A Spy
The Man From UNCLE
Voyage to the Bottom of The Sea

DISC EIGHT-Television Movies
A Girl Named Sooner
Babe
The Man
Contract On Cherry Street
Q.B.VII
Crawlspace
The Red Pony
A Tree Grows In Brooklyn
The Brotherhood of The Bell
Masada
Cable Car Murders
Winter Kill
Pursuit aka.Binary

DISC NINE-Classical Goldsmith
Christus Apollo

DISC TEN-Concert Suites and The New Millenium
Featuring The Hollow Man and The Kid

I may be just dreaming, why not go all out. Nothing but the best I'd say.

For anyone else that isn't already aware: DECONSTRUCTING GOLDSMITH is a splendid site that, among other things, provides easily and reasonably quickly downloaded cues from many many Goldsmith scores, including some that are not readily commercially available (an aching minute-and-a-half passage from "The Artist Who Did Not Want To Paint" is one of my faves; also great bits from the "lost" scores ALIEN NATION, 2 DAYS IN THE VALLEY and GLADIATOR -- hmmm, nothing from THE PUBLIC EYE, though.)

(1) Breakout
(2) Caboblanco
(3) Chinatown
(4) Contract on Cherry Street
(5) Criminal Law
(6) Extreme Prejudice
(7) Freud
(8) Hour of the Gun
(9) Justine
(10) Leviathan
(11) Link
(12) Logan's Run
(13) Masada
(14) Night Crossing
(15) Not Without My Daughter
(16) Papillon
(17) QBVII
(18) The Red Pony
(19) The Reincarnation of Peter Proud
(20) Tora! Tora! Tora!
(21) The Travelling Executioner

DISC #2

(1) Angie
(2) Bandolero
(3) The Cassandra Crossing
(4) Fierce Creatures
(5) In Harm's Way
(6) Innerspace
(7) Lillies of the Field
(8) Logan's Run (ooops...sigh)
(9) Lonely are the Brave
(10) MacArthur
(11) Matinee
(12) Morituri
(13) A Patch of Blue
(14) Planet of the Apes
(15) Ransom
(16) Rent-A-Cop
(17) Six Degrees of Separation
(18) The Spiral Road
(19) The Stripper
(20) Studs Lonigan
(21) The Trouble with Angels
(22) Twilight's Last Gleaming
(23) Warlock

There you go.

What will be included on DISC #3:

Alien Nation, Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend, Breakheart Pass, The Challenge, City of Fear, Coma, The Flim-Flam Man, A Girl Named Sooner, Gladiator, High Velocity, The Last Run, The List of Adrian Messenger, Magic, Players, The Prize, Rio Lobo, Runaway, The Satan Bug, Sebastian, Take A Hard Ride, 2 days in the Valley, The Vanishing, and Warning Shot.

I hope this works out as I have it planned.

Hehehehe....

Joe

P.S. For all those interested, the filming process continues on CAUSE AND EFFECT, the script I am directing. First rehearsals happened last night and things are going great!! I plan on shooting in mid-April through early May...ediitng throughout May and finally handing it over to our own Aaron Collins for the scoring chores!!

Will keep you posted. Hopefully there will be a web site up within a few weeks that will allow those of you who want a sneak peek at what I'm doing to get your fill.

Thanks for all of your support and well-wishes...

Laterz...

P.P.S. My next story idea is in the works and should be much MUCH more involved...sigh...

NP - The Mummy Complete DVD (Disc #2)

Joan: "The Artist" cue is to be found billed as THE AGONY AND THE ECSTASY (Goldsmith scored the short documentary that preceded the actual Alex North-scored picture ... in fact, I think North was the one who recommended Goldsmith for the job.)

Joan, you don't have the Intrada version of RIO CONCHOS that opens up with the rerecorded "Artist"? And you the Jerry Western completist, I thought! (The only reason to HAVE the Intrada RIO CONCHOS at this point is either for collection's sake, or for "The Artist." I won't be surprised if the FSM people dig that one out as a teaser for some other disc they do. I HOPE they do, the snippet on DECONSTRUCTING GOLDSMITH seems much more heartrent and beautiful than the calm, stately rerecording. But that's probably just me.)

NP: RUNAWAY (that selfsame Jerry person! he do get around, do he not)